A Conversation with the Notorious R.B.G.

Justice Ginsburg speaking at Jones Day in Washington D.C. this past July. The photos of this discussion come from Duke Law's summary of the event which can be accessed by clicking the photo above.

Justice Ginsburg speaking at Jones Day in Washington D.C. this past July. The photos of this discussion come from Duke Law’s summary of the event, which can be accessed by clicking the photo above.

By Brooke LePage ’19

Contributing Writer

One of the best things about being a post-grad in Washington, D.C. is that you never know who you’ll see on your way to work. One of my roommates bumped into Speaker John Boehner on the sidewalk outside our house, and another recently met Senator Bernie Sanders outside of a local coffee shop.

Being a Public Policy & Law major, nothing compared to the woman I met last Wednesday. Perhaps it was her pop culture celebrity, legacy on the court, or the hours and hours I spent during my last year of college reading her opinion in Ledbetter v. Goodyear, that made meeting Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg such an incredible honor. My senior thesis, Justice Ginsburg’s Call to Action: The Court, Congress, and the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, focused entirely on RBG’s scathing dissent in the infamous wage discrimination lawsuit that prompted Congress to pass the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Needless to say, I was elated and nervous to meet the woman who I believe to be responsible for so many of the rights I enjoy today.

The event was hosted by Duke Law School, and was packed with Duke undergrads, Duke Law students, and Duke alumni. Thanks to the generosity of a new friend, Matt Hamilton, I was invited to tag along. The line for the hors d’oeuvres wrapped around the entire room, only to be outdone by the line for the bar. We scrambled to get seats before they were all taken, and those long lines and the excited chatter seemed to evaporate when Justice Ginsburg walked in and took her seat. The conversation began with Justice Ginsburg describing to the audience (and even reciting a few bars from) the Opera by Derrick Wang, Scalia/Ginsburg. “It’s a story about people who have differing opinions, but who can still be great friends,” she explained. Throughout the course of the talk, she would often break from conventional metaphors and cite the plot of a favorite opera.

Inevitably, the topic changed to something with more gravitas, and Justice Ginsburg spoke on her greatest disappointment, Citizens United, and the Court’s latest earth-shattering decisions in Obergefell and King v. Burwell. On the topic of differing opinions, she said, “You’ll find the difference is between textualist interpretation and what I like to call reasonable interpretation,” prompting a few of us to chuckle in response. She spoke about her time at Harvard, then teaching at Columbia, and eventually the ACLU. “There were no women on the court. My family thought it would be a good thing for me to become a school teacher. That was a profession women could go in to. I wanted to be a lawyer because I thought I could help people,” she said, “so you have to put in the hours and put in the work to make your dreams come true.” 

When the time came for open questions, my mind was racing with a million things to ask. Which case are you most proud of? Does the Constitution really contain the ever-elusive right the privacy? Where did you get your shirt? After three other audience members asked their questions, I felt my arm shoot up, and someone handed me a microphone. “What is the greatest challenge women in America still face? Is it reproductive rights like in Hobby Lobby or pay equality like in Ledbetter?” I asked. She closed her eyes, and took a moment to think. “Both, and more,” she replied, “It is important for young women in your generation not to forget that there are still rights that you need to fight for.” She went on the cite Lawrence and Ledbetter, two cases I had spent many late nights reading in my thesis cubby in the Raether Library. It struck me how lucky I am, that I am not without strong female role models in positions of influence. I’m sure for Justice Ginsburg this was probably yet another speaking engagement. For me, it was a chance to get some of the best advice in town.

Youlan Xiu, PBPL '15, asking Justice Ginsburg what she believes to be the greatest challenge still facing women in America.

Youlan Xiu, PBPL ’15, asking Justice Ginsburg what she believes to be the greatest challenge still facing women in America.

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Public Policy and Law Honors Day Award Winners

Pictured from left to right: Youlan Xiu '15, Andrew McChesney '15, Catherine Read '15.

Pictured from left to right: Youlan Xiu ’15, Andrew McChesney ’15, Catherine Read ’15.

The Public Policy and Law Program is proud to announce that three graduating seniors were awarded prizes for their academic work on Friday, May 1 at Trinity’s Honors Day ceremony. The following prizes were awarded:

The Samuel and Clara Hendel Memorial Book Prize is awarded annually to the undergraduate who is judged to have written the best paper on a topic involving issues of civil liberties or social justice. This year two Public Policy and Law seniors shared the award.

Andrew P. McChesney received the award for his senior honors thesis, “The Case for a Consumer Privacy Bill of Rights: A Study of Online Behavioral Advertising and Mobile Device Tracking,”

Youlan Xiu received the award for her senior honors thesis, “Justice Ginsburg’s Call to Action: The Court, Congress, and the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009.”

The Public Policy and Law Book Prize was established by the Public Policy and Law Program in 2004. The prize is awarded annually to the student who writes the best paper in the area of public policy and law as judged by the program faculty.

Catherine E. Read received the prize for her senior honors thesis, “Testing the Marshall Hypothesis: The Effect of Information on Death Penalty Opinion.”

Congratulations to all of our 2015 award recipients!

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Denmark’s Society of Trust Put to the Test After Terrorist Attack

This semester I have had the opportunity to study in Copenhagen with the Danish Institute for Study Abroad (D.I.S). While I quickly came to love Copenhagen in part for its ubiquitous tranquility, the shootings this past February served as a reminder of what is at stake in this time of “lone wolf” terror attacks.

On our first day of orientation, all students in D.I.S. gathered in a large theater as we listened to a speech delivered by the Executive Director. One of the main points of her speech was that Danes tend to view themselves as a tribe, and this tribe has built a society founded upon trust of one another. Mothers often leave their children in strollers unattended outside of stores while they go in to shop. They trust that strangers will ensure the baby is left unharmed. When our professors have spoken to us about traveling to other cities, they warn us to be more aware of our surroundings because other cities “aren’t like Copenhagen.” At no point in Copenhagen had I ever felt unsafe due to typical crime, let alone terrorism.

Before I left for Denmark this January, I knew its history with political cartoons made it a potential target for attacks like the shootings in Paris.

In 2005, the Danish magazine Jyllands-Posten published a dozen cartoons portraying the prophet Muhammad in an editorial about self-censorship in the conversation about Islam. The controversial cartoons sparked protests throughout the Muslim world. Two years later, Danish artist Lars Vilks also depicted the prophet Muhammad in a cartoon published in a Swedish newspaper, leading to violent demonstrations and calls for his assassination. Vilks had stayed out of the headlines for many years until this past February when his safety and Copenhagen’s security were put in jeopardy.

On the day of the attacks, I was eating dinner with some student friends when we started receiving messages from friends and family asking us if everything was all right. We quickly searched for the news on our cell phones and read about a targeted at an event attended by Lars Vilks. We were all surprised and saddened by the news but we decided it would not stop us from going out that night to celebrate a friend’s birthday. While many of us had concerns about another attack, we tried to be like Danes, who lined the streets unconcerned about the day’s incident.

At about 1:00 AM we learned that there had been a second shooting at a synagogue in Copenhagen and that the manhunt for the gunman was putting the city on lockdown. We quickly rallied all of our friends out of the bar we were in and hauled the first cabs we could find.

On our way home we saw a Copenhagen we never thought we would see. Police cars were everywhere and Nørreport station – our local metro station – was shut down. As we crossed into our neighborhood of Nørrebro a policeman stopped us at a checkpoint to look inside our cab. I had never even seen a Danish policeman before. The city that is characterized by its open and safe nature now felt like a city under siege.

Once we got into our dorm we turned on the main Danish news station while our residential assistant translated what the reporter in the streets was saying. But the reporter’s words meant less to us than the picture on the television screen. The reporter was standing in the street adjacent to where we take classes. We realized that the synagogue was the one located just two minutes from our school – the same synagogue that a few friends and I were told to visit just the night before. The proximity and context of the attacks turned what many viewed as a CNN spectacle into a strikingly personal moment in our adopted city.

With almost two months having past since the shootings, Copenhagen feels exactly how it did when I first arrived. I infrequently see police officers and Danes seem unfazed. Two days after the shootings, I was touched to visit the synagogue where the shooting occurred to see the entire street lined with bouquets of flowers and Israeli flags placed alongside those of Denmark.

A Danish police officer standing guard outside Copenhagen's Great Synagogue, one of the sites of February's terrorist attacks.

A Danish police officer standing guard outside Copenhagen’s Great Synagogue, one of the sites of February’s terrorist attacks.

Yet I wonder if the greatest changes are still to come. I live in the neighborhood of Nørrebro, which is known for being home to much of Denmark’s Muslim population. At the bus stop you see the intersection of modern Danish society: quintessential looking Danes with blonde hair, dressed in stylish (mostly black) clothes, alongside Muslim women wearing headscarves. Denmark is still a largely homogeneous society but the makeup of its population is beginning to change, like much of the rest of Europe.

Many were not surprised to hear that the gunman from the attacks was Muslim. However, many were somewhat surprised to know that he was not from the Middle East – he was from Denmark, he was a Dane. He was shot outside his home in Nørrebro.

I question how this attack will change the way Denmark treats its Muslim population in the long run. Xenophobic, Islamophobic parties are on the rise throughout Europe, and now Denmark’s own version – the Danish People’s Party – appears to be benefitting politically from these attacks. Europe of course has a checkered history with its treatment of minority groups, but Denmark has prided itself in how it has a legacy of being an outlier. The classic example is how Denmark’s King Christian X smuggled the vast majority of Jewish Danes into neutral Sweden during World War II when Denmark was under Nazi occupation. To this day, Danes are proud of this accomplishment.

My hope is that Danes continue to respect their Muslim immigrants and citizens because the only way to integrate any group into a society is to make them feel at home. Antagonizing Muslims in the press or in personal interactions will only serve to deepen cultural divides, and further isolate young Muslims from feeling Danish.

One of the few facts many people know about Denmark is that it is consistently rated the happiest country in the world. Yet few people probably know that it also ranks as one of the most trusting nations – a title that reveals the social capital supporting the beloved Danish welfare state.

In this age of ISIS and homegrown terrorism, even the safest and best-prepared countries can be attacked. Radicalized individuals could have grown up in the most supportive neighborhoods and in the most tolerant societies, but they still may be drawn to the lure of a modern day crusade. I do not believe you can kill this kind of extremism with kindness.

However, we have the capability of shaping our outlook on the time in which we live. We are not living in a time of East vs. West. If we tell ourselves that, then the terror groups have manipulated us to see their dichotomous worldview. Western societies need to come down against explicit and implicit anti-Islamic rhetoric, because the more Muslims are antagonized, the more we begin to sound like the hateful groups we are fighting. Any party that rails against minority groups is unfit to govern.

These attacks have caused Danes to rally around their social and political beliefs in freedom of speech and expression. This past month Lars Vilks received an award from the right-wing Danish Free Press Society for his courage shown in the aftermath of his cartoon’s publishing. Yet Vilks should not just be used a figurehead for the freedom to freely antagonize other groups. Nor should Danes be mobilized by pointing fingers at Danish Muslims for issues in Danish society. With the freedom to speak out with reactionary impulses comes the freedom to be a voice for rational responses and tolerance. Problems are solved with solutions, not blame. If Danes truly believe the pen is more powerful than the sword, then the pen must be used to protect its society of trust, rather than allowing the right to rewrite who is deserving of this trust.

In response to the shootings, Denmark’s government has increased spending on security and intelligence services to try and thwart future attacks. This is the easy response. The more difficult response is for Danes to continue to trust all Danes, regardless of their ethnicity or religion.

Danish society thrives on its culture of trust. This trust must continue to include all communities living in Denmark. Any harboring of mistrust for any community in Denmark erodes the nation’s central value of putting faith in one another. Any leaders or parties who promise to “restore” or “preserve” traditional Danish values by singling out certain groups are accomplishing the exact opposite. If they succeed in making Danes mistrust fellow Danes, then they have allowed terrorism to take away one of the most laudable and enduring elements of Danish society.

Danes have always liked to walk to the beat of their own drum, and this path has led to peace and prosperity. I hope Denmark continues to do so by avoiding the rising trend of Islamophobia seen in France, the United Kingdom, and elsewhere throughout Europe. I call upon all Danes to continue to speak freely and trust fervently to prove Denmark’s reputation as a proud outlier.

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Making Program History, While Looking at Program History

On the heels of their big win just last Sunday, the Trinity Mock Trial team is preparing for the next big step: the Opening Round Championship Series in Washington, D.C. Students will be traveling with our program coach, Timothy Dunn, Esq. to compete against other top-seeded schools during the first weekend of this year’s Spring Break. Going in to D.C., Trinity is among an elite group of schools; not only did they advance, but they advanced with the best record in program history. For the first time, Trinity has finished in the top two schools out of a Regional tournament. 

Unlike other larger, more established programs, Trinity Mock Trial has always been small, but mighty. In 2017 the Mock Trial program will be coming up on its 10th Anniversary as an established student group at Trinity. It all started in 2007, when a student named Roland Grant brought a group of interested students together to compete locally. Grant was Trinity Mock Trial’s first president, and established the program within the school. While the program was still young, a freshman named Zach Green and his friend Michael Galligan joined, introducing the idea that perhaps Mock Trial could extend beyond local competition. In 2008, Green and Galligan registered the Trinity Mock Trial team with the American Mock Trial Association, and everything changed. The team was registered with a national organization, and we expected to compete at a national standard. An association with AMTA meant that Trinity was officially on the map as a competitor, and had access to the national case problem. 

From there, Trinity Mock Trial began to travel farther and compete at a higher level. Green became the team’s next president, bringing the program to national recognition. By the end of his senior year, Green had made program history of his own, leading the team that placed 10th in the National Championship in 2011. To date, no team has made it as far as the 2011 Championship team. In the following years, presidents Leslie Ahlstrand, Andres Delgadillo, James Geisler, and now Youlan Xiu, are keeping with the tradition of excellence. Trinity Mock Trial has advanced past Regionals every year of competition. This year, as Trinity heads into ORCS with great expectations, we want to thank our predecessors, coaches and friends for their pursuit of excellence; we hope to make you proud. 

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Trinity Mock Trial Kicks Off the Season with Biggest Win to Date

On Sunday night, the American Mock Trial Association (AMTA) wrapped up its Boston College Regional tournament. For the first time in program history, Trinity finished this weekend with a first-place record, winning 7 ballots, losing 0, and tying 1. Trinity officially ended as the second-place team, beat only by a few CS (combined strength) points by Columbia University, who also had a record of 7-0-1.

Each year, AMTA sends over 700 competing schools to different locations across the country for the first-round Regional tournament. Each year, Trinity Mock Trial has proved itself small but mighty – every Trinity Regional team since the program’s inception in 2008 has moved past this round to the Opening Round Championship Series, or semi-finals. To put this in perspective, only the top seven out of each Regional can advance.

This year, Trinity was assigned to the Boston College Regional. Eight Trinity students who have been preparing the same case problem since August traveled to Boston for the first official tournament of the season. Priya Vaishamprayan ’18, Emily Sullivan ’17, Richard Pizzano ’17, Julia Mardeusz ’16, Bobby Boyle ’16, Katherine Feehan ’16, Ursula Petersen ’15, and Youlan Xiu ’15 had to win at least five out of eight ballots to advance. Because each round consisted of two scoring judges, at least five out of the eight judges who scored each team had to designate you the winner.

During each round, Trinity Mock Trial proved that they were serious contenders. On Saturday and Sunday, Trinity took on Gordon College, Columbia University, Boston College, and UMass Amherst. Tying only one ballot with Columbia, Trinity took both ballots in all other rounds.

Following their performance this weekend, Trinity Mock Trial will be headed to the Opening Round Championship Series in Washington, DC in March. If Trinity finishes in the top 6 in DC, they will earn a bid to the National Championship where they will compete among the top 48 teams in the nation.

(From left to right) Julia Mardeusz, Bobby Boyle, Priya Vaishampayan, Katherine Feehan, Youlan Xiu, Ursula Petersen, Richard Pizzano, and Emily Sullivan.

(From left to right) Julia Mardeusz, Bobby Boyle, Priya Vaishampayan, Katherine Feehan, Youlan Xiu, Ursula Petersen, Richard Pizzano, and Emily Sullivan.

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Beyond the Elms: Where Three PBPL ’13 Alumni are now

The Class of 2013’s Public Policy & Law majors will be remembered as one of the brightest and most enthusiastic classes that the department has ever had. A year and a half after graduation, I had the pleasure to speak with three outstanding Public Policy & Law (PBPL) alumni to discuss their experiences at Trinity and to see what they are up to now.

 

Drew McCarthy currently works as a financial analyst for Merrill Lynch in Boston.

Drew McCarthy currently works as a financial analyst for Merrill Lynch in Boston.

Drew McCarthy is now a financial analyst with Merrill Lynch in Boston. He works with a team of investment advisors to deliver investment solutions to ultra-high-net worth individuals. Drew has felt comfortable making the transition from his just-outside-of-Boston hometown of Wakefield to his new home in Southie, where he lives with three fellow ’13 alumni.

As an analyst, Drew is responsible for conducting extensive research on the current status of markets and for forming projections on where markets are headed. The Public Policy & Law, Economics double major has found that his college studies helped cultivate the skills he uses in the workplace. “Rather than just being able to look at economic indicators and market behaviors to understand them through an economic lens, I can also look at the data as an argument and break it down piece by piece,” said McCarthy. “This ability to take a big data set (or issue) and break it down into smaller pieces that can be analyzed is a skill that I really developed with the help of Professor Cabot and Professor Fulco. Because of them, my team not only relies on me to analyze data but they also rely on me to understand how the data could be misinterpreted and explain my conclusions to clients in a succinct, direct manner.”

Drew is currently studying to become a Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA), which he hopes to complete before going back to school to pursue a dual J.D./MBA degree. While McCarthy has his sights set towards his future goals and a career in financial management, he still looks back fondly on his time at Trinity and his experience in his majors. “I think that what makes the PBPL program so special is the sense of family that developed within the major,” McCarthy said, “I was very close with my fellow classmates and despite the fact that we sometimes disagreed, we were always able to treat each other with respect. I think that the Trinity community as a whole can learn from the learning environment that Professor Fulco has created.”

 

Jack Nettleton is the Pierce County Coordinator at Strategies 360 in Seattle.

Jack Nettleton is the Pierce County Coordinator at Strategies 360 in Seattle.

Jack Nettleton has moved back to his beloved home state of Washington where he works for Strategies 360, a full service consulting firm headquartered in Seattle. He serves on the Northwest Parkinson’s Foundation Board in addition to being an Associate Director of the Laird Norton Board of Directors. Jack’s passion for giving back to his community has continued since he graduated from Trinity, where he helped found the Adrienne Fulco and Edward Cabot Public Policy and Law Fund in 2013.

Jack has also found that his learning inside of the classroom at Trinity has been immensely helpful to his work at Strategies 360. “The major equips you with tools to properly analyze, interpret and suggest solutions to real life policy problems. This is consulting 101, and I have found that the purpose of the major and the ethos of my company are similar: you cannot tug on one policy string without pulling another, so you better be able to look at issues holistically with an eye for if its sound policy or not.”

When Jack returned to Trinity this past Homecoming for the first time since graduation, he was overwhelmed by how much he missed the faculty and his friends. “I miss Renny, Ned, Abby and my PBPL friends who made my experiences so enriching.” While he is certainly nostalgic for his time at Trinity, Nettleton is also very excited to see that the PBPL program is growing in size and recognition as “a major that produces leaders we will all read about.”

When asked about what state policy issues concern him most in Washington, Nettleton responded, “It’s how we can stay a business friendly state while addressing our revenue shortage. With the abundance of natural resources, large exports and cheap, clean energy there is no reason we should have a budget shortfall. My vision is simple: I want Washington to be the best state to live, work, play, and raise a family.”

 

Vince Novelli is now in his second year at Columbia Law School.

Vince Novelli is now in his second year at Columbia Law School.

Vince Novelli is currently a 2L at Columbia Law School. In his free time (when he is not playing basketball), he is working in a law clinic with young people transitioning out of foster care and working on a project representing New York City public school students who have received unfair suspensions. Last summer Vince worked for Governor Malloy’s General Counsel’s Office and this summer he will be working for K&L Gates in Manhattan.

When asked about his favorite course in law school, Novelli was split between Contracts and Constitutional Law. “I enjoyed the process of building an understanding of each contract law provision or theory, then going into a potential dispute with that arsenal prepared to use whichever tools were applicable to get the result I was looking for. Constitutional law engaged a very different part of my brain. Constitutional problems are massive in scope and impact, and involve history, public policy, and politics. I loved grappling with such complex questions.”

Novelli described his courses in PBPL as being invaluable for his success in law school. He is tremendously grateful for the access that the program gave him to work one-on-one with professors to help develop his writing and analytical skills, and he still draws upon his PBPL learning on a regular basis. “Not a day goes by when I do not use my understanding of issue framing from PBPL 201 to either convince someone of my view or understand the goals and motivations of others.” Novelli praised the program’s ability to teach students how to understand every side of an issue, which he has found to be an incredibly useful skill needed when advocating for a particular side or even a client.

One tip that Vince gave for current PBPL majors is to strongly consider writing an honors thesis, if given the opportunity. “Writing my thesis was an enormously developmental experience in terms of writing and researching, time management, organizational techniques, and any other number of important skills.” Novelli wrote his senior thesis on new voter ID laws that have been enacted across the country.

After law school, Novelli plans to stay in New York and practice commercial litigation or dispute resolution.

 

While all three of the Class of 2013 Public Policy & Law alumni that I interviewed are pursuing fairly different tracks, they all felt very prepared for their current work thanks to the PBPL major. The Public Policy & Law Department is very proud of how successful its alumni have been, and McCarthy, Nettleton, and Novelli have lived up to the high expectations that their professors set for them. Professor Fulco, the Director of the Public Policy & Law Department, is especially proud of her former students, “Drew, Jack, and Vince are three of the most spirited and dedicated members of the PBPL class of ’13. They were active recruiters and advocates for the program, and they became role models for our younger students. Despite holding very different positions on the political and legal issues under discussion, they took great joy in debating and challenging one another—whether in class or over coffee. I am grateful to them for contributing so much to the sense of community and belonging that defines our program.”

With just a year and a half of post-graduation life under their belts and yet already having achieved so much, it will be no surprise if these three alumni become some of the “leaders that we will read about” in future headlines and news articles.

Jack, Drew, Vince @ Mock Trial

Jack Nettleton (first from left), Drew McCarthy (second from left), and Vince Novelli (right) at the 2013 Mock Trial Regional Tournament at St. Anselm College.

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